what happens if you take more than 1 viagra in a day is proscar cheaper than propecia we can reduce finasteride taken once in a week where can buy propecia in singapore cost of lasix medication where i can get viagra in vancouver b.c clomid 125 mg getting viagra in south africa cytotec ohne rezept kaufen viagra samples generics viagra online.at vesicare 5 mg bijsluiter nolvadex how can we find viagra in shoppers drug mart viagra online without prescription maestro card cost doxycycline tablets uk prix viagra pharmacie maroc want viagra in kolkata socialist organization in 60s 70s in calif pyralin en ec 500 mg metformin the discovery of viagra dapoxetine india pharmacy no script how much does 25mg viagra cost tadalafil 25 mg kaiser price for cialis menhancer viagra online why did accutane get recalled comprar viagra por internet en chile dias ns1 comprar propecia net is it safe to take viagra when you have gout what is the difference in male and female cialis lasix 40 mg para q sirve achat viagra 100mg does accutane cause birth defects later in life finasteride generico italia 100 mg clomid werkt niet pfizer viagra prices online viagra pfizer tablets que es ciprofloxacina 500 mg y para que sirve viagra price in australia who is the viagra woman in the blue dress purchase azithromycin or doxycycline why increase clomid dosage para que sirve cialis 10 mg buying viagra in lanzarote buy cialis en doha quelle est le prix du viagra en pharmacie prednisone and singulair viagra australian actress robbie cipromed ciprofloxacin 500 mg cipro otic dosage viagra online pens brand names for finasteride how much is viagra in tijuna falcon brand prednisolone eye drops misoprostol cytotec in riyadh consigo comprar viagra na farmacia guadalajara 1 month accutane results in a month cialis generica for you metformin for weight loss safe viagra soft tabs kaufen where to buy 5 mg brand cialis finasteride therapeutic use tadalafil 2.5 mg testimonials buy zithromax locally prednisolone in india viagra 12 mg comprar cialis contrarembolso clomid to get twins is legal to order generic viagra cytotec price in mercury drugstore philippines hiring estimated date for generic viagra how to get viagra in the uk prednisone 10 mg 54 899 pfizer generic zoloft price will one 20 mg cialis lower bp how much for exam pfizer viagra overnight delivery cialis and vwalmart zovirax price compare rayos prednisone reviews for back how soon before should i take viagra viagra tunisie prix how much does cialis cost after insurance ciprodex otic bayer suspension cost good viagra online cost of tadalafil at walmart buy cialis dapoxetine order doxycycline hyc 50mg cap mutual qty 20 costo cialis nelle farmacie comprar propecia en mexico viagra pfrzer ireland can i take ambien with viagra propranolol 40 mg 3 times a day recipes nu doxycycline 100 mg cytotec in italia viagra for sale craigslist how many pills in viagra stock bottle assistance in paying for cialis doxycap doxycycline capsules bp 100mg kann man viagra rezeptfrei in apotheke kaufen extenze or viagra ampicillin 250 mg 5 ml is viagra covered under medicare cheap generic black cialis can you get viagra in boots ciprofloxaxin name in bahasa indonesia buy sublingual cialis authentic brand viagra for sale will propecia keep hair in the front paypal viagra payments generic lunesta myonlinemedsbiz propecia viagra buy viagra calgary counter shelves how long does zoloft stay in the body zithromax online europe pharmacy 250 mg viagra on line viagra online shipped monthly prednisolone 50 mg preisvergleich waschmaschinen clomid como usarlo is viagra legal in peru come comprare viagra o similitude cheapest viagra on the internet metformin 250 mg 1 x day viagra in india stores in dallas how much mg of viagra should i take zoloft generic brands of vicodin buy propecia online without prescription can i buy doxycycline buy lasix overnight patient reviews of accutane vetprofen generic propecia doxycycline discount prices use mastercard bizcochos de soletilla donde comprar viagra will the cost of viagra go down viagra in apotheke metformin 500 mg buy in usa canadian propecia online zovirax in pill form cost cialis 20 mg information prednisone pred 10 corticosteroid nasal spray cialis 100 mg mi 20 mg mi cialis perda de visao swidar 500 25 mg zoloft where can i buy genuine clomid viagra delay spray kaufen price list of of zoloft in philippines where to buy cialis in sa voli low cost per cipro da venezia diclocil 500 mg bivirkninger av prednisolone fertility clinic london clomid twins buying viagra online is it safe canada cialis fast shipping why propranolol is contraindicated in diabetes mellitus how much money does clomid cost success of clomid at 100 mg uk finasteride dr singh generico do viagra onde comprar livro generic propecia review opinion buy ciprofloxacin cream can buy cytotec philippines 10 buy mg nolvadex comprar cytotec brasil how many mg prednisone for poison ivy review zoloft for anxiety viagra tablet name for men in kolkata viagra cialis on usa rx generic viagra cost to produce best face wash use while accutane metformin er dose folgard rx generic viagra is 20mg cialis be split cialis market priligy buy online singapore pharmacy how long is a viagra prescription good for in ny many mg viagra can you take what is propranolol used for in humans erofast sildenafil 50 mg onde comprar how long before cipro kicks in pneumonia accutane roche usa can i get priligy on the nhs viagra websites that accept paypal cost of iui with clomid and hcg what happens when you take half a cialis pil biru viagra usa is filagra really a viagra subsitute counterfeit viagra test kits zithromax 1000 mg uses review sildenafil actavis 100mg can u buy viagra at convenience will i get into to trouble for buying viagra online buy generic dapoxetine virtual viagra review fitoestimulina generico de cialis finasteride reviews bodybuilding is it safe to take doxycycline with food karsivan 100 mg dosierung ciprofloxacin wall green generic viagra bula cialis generico portugal neonatal lasix dosage v herbal viagra alternative canada can i buy cytotec over the counter in the philippines zovirax tab 500 mg is it safe to rake viagra with ampplodine where to buy propecia in philippines will i have to take viagra forever average price of diflucan sildenafil kaufen apotheke generic viagra combo pack donde puedo comprar cytotec en villavicencio finasteride patient reviews sildenafil citrate cost in india is it safe for diabetics to take viagra amoxil use by date comprar cialis sao paulo qu est ce que zithromax how soon should i take cialis propecia cost london kolonada wafers buy online uk viagra prednisone pressure in eyes cialis compare price viagra 100mg yahoo answers lasix is used to treat what prednisone in the treatment of ulcerative colitis cialis 5 mg tadalafilo metformin in colon cancer treatment viagra and cialis in combination generico do viagra 2012 viagra free delivery uk is viagra safe with avalide buy doxycycline online without a script carvedilol generico de cialis 10 mg of prednisone cause water retention where can i get cialis in sydney dipidolor 15 mg bijsluiter cialis metformin hydrochloride 1000 mg weight loss prevention diklofenak t orifarm 50 mg biverkningar av metformin generic cialis professional 40 mg comprar viagra pelo correio where to buy cialis uk how long does viagra stay in a 12 yr olds system free cialis tablets free free trial viagra paypal cialis 20 cut in half how long does it last can a man take more than 100 mg of viagra uses of ciprofloxacin hcl 500 mg generic name zoloft zovirax cold sore cream australia how long does it take for zithromax to work doxycycline mono 100 mg cap lose weight ontario physician specialized in prednisone withdrawel cialis tablets price in pakistan n8 not ovulating on clomid 150mg viagra 50 mg cpr4 bula sildenafil anvisa nerve pain in back from prednisone tadalafil and dapoxetine reviews on washers bagomicina 100 generico do viagra clomid 50 mg dawkowanie tranu is it safe to conceive while man on viagra generic viagra vendors online viagra reviews uk thuoc largactil 25 mg of zoloft can you take zoloft in the morning and at night who has taken accutane lasix medicine uses canada online pharmacy propecia where can buy viagra in belgium over counter viagra and cialis discount generico da pomada zovirax internet pharmacy cialis buy online generic finasteride work for anyone where is the cheapest cialis generic fin vs propecia clomid for men take in morning or at night is celerity stand viagra safe father indian pharmacy viagra locasalen salbe beipackzettel ciprofloxacin ciprofloxacin 750 mg indications for pacemaker what are the ingredents in cialis is there a generic drug for zovirax thuoc acetyl leucine 500 mg metformin zithromax pos 600mg 15 ml mercury amoxil safe in breastfeeding why did the price of diflucan go up viagra taken with l arginine clomid iui costs sildenafil gel over the counter comprare cialis thailandia locked in syndrome viagra retail cost for viagra half life of clomid in men propranolol 60 mg be split in half are mexican viagra safe buy viagra co uk best moisturizers for accutane phenoral 50 mg zoloft can you take clomid if you have pcos viagra 50mg price in egypt finasteride 5 mg for women hair loss studies cialis 20 comprar wirkung viagra nach samenerguss in der how dose the five mg cialis work sildenafil use in pulmonary arterial hypertension what happens if a young male takes viagra cialis overnight online tadalafil 5mg cheapest place to buy it us viagra price metformin 1000 mg daily zithromax 500 mg effet secondaire top 10 viagra like foods high in protein natural equivelant ingredient in sildenafil where to buy cialis in calgary without a prescription can accutane cause eczema can you get viagra in stores propecia in new where can i buy lasix on line without a prescription ritemed metformin 500 mg where i can buy cialis in dubai ovulating on clomid but not getting pregnant why ayurvedic substitute for viagra packungsbeilage cialis 20mg cialis black online mastercard canada correct dosage for doxycycline where can i buy cheap propecia tablets is 40 mg a high dose of prednisone how to get viagra in denver can you split 20mg cialis how many clomid cycles is safe places in melbourne wher cialis is sold ciprofloxacin in prima luna de sarcina tadalafil mechanism of action in bph icd doxycycline safe kids can we get original cialis in thailand socialist party ireland sildenafil sandoz 100 mg tableta viagra generic buy american express ordering viagra pills generico do viagra qual melhor non prescription diflucan 150 mg oral tablet canadian cipla viagra red viagra gialis 200 mg uses online viagra shopping india propecia online dream pharmaceutical viagra from doctor uk achat de cialis online cost of lasix surgery finasteride 5 mg film coated tablets for sale cheapest cialis generic intitle posting and toasting viagra in australia online degree doxycycline whartisthebestin uses safe daily dosage prednisone zithromax liquid refrigerate or not order cialis on line viagra female effects cipro xr 500 mg viagra purchase paypal payments unitidazin 10 mg prednisone key viagra online inderal la and exercise review lasix online tablets c can 40 mg prednisone cause heart problems vibramycin safe during pregnancy clomid working but not getting pregnant patient reviews of viagra canada no prescription cialis ampicillin allergic reactions indian brands tadalafil and depoxitine buy genuine clomid online red dragon viagra user reviews buy viagra chennai zovirax 800 mg price uk rare 100mg zoloft 300 mg wellbutrin for anxiety where can i buy viagra in portugal buy viagra in perth australia time is two year old cialis safe to take aval 320 mg generico do viagra 20 mg prednisone moon face syndrome how long does zoloft stay in your body samples of generic viagra sildenafil 100 mg pharmacokinetics diuretic lasix cost cost of viagra tesco como se usa clomid buying cipro without prescription with mastercard optimax duo 500 mg metformin results of taking 200 mg of viagra buy cialis 10 ml in new jersey ci cipro mg doxycycline mylan 100 mg posologie liquid cialis research chemicals alldaychemist cialis over the counter viagra prise en charge high power viagra tablets in india viagra online super active amoxil suspension 250 mg dosis jewelers cialis 5mg se puede usar con doxyciclene doxycycline price increase reasons prednisone 5 mg ivf due buy viagra reviews glimepiride metformin hydrochloride tablets comprar viagra mercado libre citalopram for anxiety 10 mg prednisone doxycycline effects in pregnancy viagra upset stomach viagra buy singapore condo would zoloft show up in a drug test doxycycline hyclate price in philippines purchase sildenafil pills finasteride online without prescription cialis mit paysafe bezahlen cialis once daily 2 5 mg viagra cost walmart canada long term use of finasteride taking 40 mg cialis artical que es amoxil 500 where to buy cialis c10 pills how much is clomid in canada ubat metformin 500 mg much does one month propecia cost propecia receding hair generika viagra preisvergleich success rates of iui with clomid ucinok viagra generic buy real cialis online canada how to buy tadalafil from india how to purchase viagra with paypal cialis 5 mg werking donts in taking viagra getting a doctor to prescribe viagra online fosforos carlos herrera viagra online high on prednisone doxycycline used to treat heartworms what is thw work of sildenafil tablet 120 mg viagra for sale without press ciprofloxacin 500 mg 100 count bottle rocket cipro 500 mg dis iltihabi prednisone 5 mg moonface blonde actress in acura cialis quantos anos pode usar viagra ricetta prescrizione viagra for sale where to find viagra in vegas genericos if sildenafil 20 cheap zovirax bertibarots lowest price for cialis 20 mg cialis and viagra used together misuse of doxycycline zovirax labiale in allattamento si anglo nubian goat for sale in uk zithromax sildenafil 50 mg works good premature ejaculation mercedes benz c55 amg for sale in uk zithromax viagra in einer apotheke kaufen low dose accutane 40 mg cheap viagra in us does 80 mg modified propranolol help with hot flushes can you buy prednisone in the airport in turkey viagra sildenafil citrate tablets amoxil 400mg tid price over the counter options to viagra purchase viagra in kolkata generic tamoxifen vs nolvadex during cycle accutane shop online chinese herbal viagra ireland efectos secundarios viagra generico viagra cheap toronto natural alternative to propranolol cialis in tucson top viagra store online com how long does 60 mg of propranolol last paying with paypal to order viagra types of viagra in india wiki answer can propecia cause mood swings osteoform 70 mg generico de cialis viagra in galway dapoxetine india sun pharmacy sildenafil axapharm kaufen is there generic for viagra with caremark estrangulamento de la pela tadalafil 20 mg genuxal 50 mg zoloft can propecia cause shedding positive clomid reviews acquisto viagra online realtor online prescription for priligy generique viagra 100mg accutane 40 mg 5 months zithromax 100 mg per teaspoon how much does propecia cost on the nhs online sildenafil uk does prednisone show up in drug tests how much is zithromax in pakistan top level domain generic viagra ciprofloxacin 500 mg from canada nombre generico de viagra uses of ciprofloxacin 500 mg tablets viagra vs cialis dosage chance of twins with clomid 50 mg precio de diflucan 100 mg how did pfizer market viagra viagra tablets name list cost of propranolol 120 mg trapped gas in stomach after taking doxycycline hyclate zithromax 250 mg price in malaysia teva prednisone 5 mg effets secondaires Kiwipolitico » Blog Archive » Drones in our future.

Drones in our future.

datePosted on 14:22, October 18th, 2012 by Pablo

Although I have no technical expertise in the field of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), I have discussed in various fora the military, intelligence, domestic security and political implications of their use now and in the future. The hard fact is that, bad press notwithstanding, UAVs (aka “drones”) are here to stay and will dominate the air space in the years to come. Already the US air force is training more drone pilots than fighter and bomber pilots combined. Ninety percent of what drones do is non-lethal: reconnaissance; surveillance; search and rescue; maritime patrol; signal, thermal, optic and other forms of technical intelligence gathering; geological exploration and terrain mapping–the applications of these types of platform are many and will continue to grow in the years ahead.

The utility of drones is due to a simple calculation: the three “Ds.” They do jobs that are dangerous and/or dirty, and they do them dispassionately. To this can be added the fact that their operational costs of drones are less than those of manned aircraft and they do not expose pilots to the physical risks of flying. That combination guarantees that policy-makers will look to UAVs as the future of military and law enforcement aviation even if manned aircraft remain the bulk of commercial and private aviation for the foreseeable future.

Lethal drones such as the infamous Predators are constantly being refined so that their acceptable Circular Error Probable (CEP)–the chances that a missile fired from the UAV will fall within 100 feet of the target crosshair center–is now greatly increased. Since they loiter at 15,000 feet for up to 36 hours, US drone pilots (who work in 12 hour shifts and who must have experience flying manned aircraft prior to their assignment as drone pilots) spend hours and days watching a potential target before pulling the trigger. The protocols governing the kill shot are quite tight (for example, no shots at family compounds or while the targeted individual(s) is or are in the vicinity of innocents), which contrary to popular opinion has greatly reduced the collateral damage occasioned by drone strikes when compared to the early days of their use.

In fact, manned aircraft continue to cause the bulk of unintended civilian deaths in Central Asia, which most often is the fault of faulty or misleading tactical intelligence on the ground (the use of misinformation by local informants acting for their own purposes has been a major contributor to the unintended civilian deaths caused by air strikes). As a remedy, special forces teams are increasingly being used to track, spot and verify legitimate targets in conflict zones (to include Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia as well as Afghanistan).

Although there have been many protestations about the use of lethal drones (so far the US is the only country to use them in anger), it is interesting to note that Pakistan has never attempted to intercept US drones operating in Pakistani air space even though the latter are slow, not particularly maneuverable and relatively easy to spot by electronic means (the recent downing by Israeli forces of an Iranian drone operated by Hezbollah demonstrates the case).  This is not to say that drone incursions into the sovereign air space of foreign countries are always or even generally  acceptable. What the different responses suggest is that the Pakistanis may not be aggrieved by US drone operations as they claim to be.

To be sure, the US military has tighter protocols governing lethal drones than does the para-military arm of the CIA. That has led to disagreements within the US security apparatus about who should be in control of lethal drones and under what circumstances are they to be used. The president currently has to authorize the CIA strikes, which are mostly directed at suspected jihadis operating in failed states. The military has a bit more latitude in targeting militants or insurgents in Afghanistan and the tribal areas of Pakistan, although all lethal strikes must be authorized by the chain of command. As of yet, that debate about unifying the command and control of lethal drones is unresolved and both the US military and the CIA continue to deploy armed and unarmed drones in foreign theaters using their own set of criteria (which if largely overlapped are not identical).

That is what brings me to the major point of this post: the fact that the legal apparatus governing the employment of drones in the international as well as the domestic arenas is very underdeveloped when compared with the technologies themselves. Already 60 countries employ drones, and domestic security agencies in a host of countries have explored their usage. The US uses them for border control and Coast Guard purposes, and true to form, some police department in Texas is reported to have expressed interest in a lethal version that could also dispense non-lethal crowd control justice from above.

Yet in no case are the legal protocols governing the use of drones in domestic arenas as well developed as are those used by the US military when engaged in foreign conflicts. This is worrying because the potential for abuse is great. UAV technology has outpaced the legislative framing of their fair use not only in undemocratic states but in liberal democracies as well.

New Zealand is not different in this regard. The Army and Navy are exploring drone technologies, as are other non-military government agencies. The Department of Conservation already has deployed a drone for geothermal and geographic research. The police are interested in UAV platforms as a substitute or complement to helicopters and terrestrial patrol vehicles. It is only a matter of time before drones are a regular presence in New Zealand skies, and the Civil Aviation Authority is already being tasked with drafting technical regulations governing their operations.

Even so, the legal structure governing the why, when, how and by who of UAV use in NZ is virtually nonexistent. Parliament appears disinterested in the subject and the agencies who would have the most use for drones have not been particularly proactive in drafting guidelines for their use. It is time that they did.

One reason is because the future of drones is not only in their greater use but in their increasingly varied configurations, to include miniaturization based on developments in nano technology. Consider this gem:

Sent to me by a friend borrowing from an unnamed source, the following blurb came with the photo.

“Is this a mosquito? No. It’s an insect spy drone for urban areas, already in production, funded by the US Government. It can be remotely controlled and is equipped with a camera and a microphone. It can land on you, and it may have the potential to take a DNA sample or leave RFID tracking nanotechnology on your skin. It can fly through an open window, or it can attach to your clothing until you take it in your home. Given their propensity to request macro-sized drones for surveillance, one is left with little doubt that police and military may look into these gadgets next.”

UPDATE: The source for the photo is this: http://www.snopes.com/photos/technology/insectdrone.asp

In light of the implications of developments in UAV technology and the growth in their employment, it seems appropriate that New Zealand confront the legal aspects of said use. New Zealand could, for example, be the first country to prohibit the use of lethal drones either in foreign conflicts or for domestic security (no other country has of yet discounted the use of drones for lethal purposes). Likewise, because there are no regional or international protocols governing their use, New Zealand could try to introduce resolutions in international and regional bodies that would lead to the regulation of UAVs on a broader level. At present the field of UAV operations is basically uncharted, much less regulated, so the opportunity now exists to try to match advances in UAV technology and deployment with advances in the legal architectures governing them.

Since New Zealand has in the past shown initiative and boldness in enacting policy with both domestic and international import, the field of UAV regulation might be another way in with it can demonstrate its fore-sightedness when it comes to areas of universal concern.

13 Responses to “Drones in our future.”

  1. anonymouse on October 18th, 2012 at 16:27

    Hi

    There are actually substantial regulations governing the use of UAVs in NZ, largely relating to when and where you can fly them.

    Not sure about now, but a couple years back when the Army was UAVing at Waiouru, it couldn’t fly the drones over SH1 when transitioning from the west to the east – they had to be landed, trucked up, driven to the other site, then relaunched

    I also know the Police is not looking in any depth at UAVs yet. That could change of course, but it’s unlikely. If used, their primary purpose would likely be SAR in rural areas, as that’s where a relatively cheap UAV with a basic TI setup can fly legally.

  2. Hugh on October 18th, 2012 at 18:41

    If we’re talking about drones that are above mosquito size, is there any reason that the existing aviation laws are inadequate?

  3. Pablo on October 18th, 2012 at 20:01

    Thanks Anon. I mentioned in the post that the civilian aviation authorities were on to the basic operational issues.

    Hugh:

    All air space can be and is parceled. Maori are cognizant of that.

  4. Luc Hansen on October 18th, 2012 at 20:14

    Terror in the skies, coming to us soon:

    http://www.democracynow.org/2012/9/26/study_finds_us_drone_strikes_in

    How many can imagine the terror of those on the ground aware of the killer drones hovering overhead and knowing that at any moment their houses, their husbands, their wives and their children can be evaporised at any moment? The programme I linked to explores that very issue.

    Also, by restricting the discussion as regards ‘collateral damage’ we avoid challenging drone use on more fundamental grounds relating to fair trial, rights to counsel, the opportunity to present a defence, and, especially for the victims of ‘collateral damage’, the right to life.

    These strikes have no place in a civilised society, especially those that purport to operate by ‘rule of law’. Now it appears Australia is a launching pad for these extrajudicial executions, often of innocent people. Given the way we freely give away our civil liberties, liberties that members of my family fought and died for, drone terror is on its way. God help us all if just one misguided individual builds a bomb and detonates it somewhere in New zealand as reprisal for one of these strikes.

    Good topic to raise, Pablo, and don’t for a moment think I’m getting at you, please. It’s just part of the discussion I think should be foremost in our minds.

  5. Pablo on October 19th, 2012 at 06:45

    Thanks Luc. I disagree with you on the ethics of lethal drone strikes but appreciate your concerns. That is why I think that public debate on the ethical as well as legal issues surrounding drone use should be encouraged before they become a feature of NZ aviation.

    Hugh: I should have mentioned that, from what I have read, there are gaps in the civilian and military aviation regulations that do not account for unmanned flying machines operating above certain altitudes (although anon above suggests that there are regulations governing UAVs already in place). My understanding is that under current regulations UAVs are classified and operate as remote control model airplanes. Given that what I am talking about is a bit more than a model airplane and operate at greater heights and with extended ranges, I am not sure that the current regulations are sufficient. Likewise, small UAVs operating at eye level would appear to lie outside current aviation regulations.

    Anon: I know that the army tested Israeli-made drones a few years back, then developed the Kahui Hawk as a tactical UAV. More recently the Army and the defense research agency have contracted with a private firm for the development of a newer model. The Navy has also begun to explore options in this field and I understand that agencies such as customs have an interest in possible applications for UAV platforms.

    The Police may not be seeking to purchase UAVs now but it seems reasonable to expect that some time in the near future they will be considered given that they are cheaper to operate and as effective if not more so than the manned rotary platforms now in use.

  6. Hugh on October 19th, 2012 at 07:58

    Micro-drones obviously dont come under existing civil aviation law.

    But I think it would be a very brave and unorthodox judge who ruled that a UAV didnt count as an “aircraft” as defined under various aviation laws simply because its pilot isnt present in the aircraft.

  7. anonymouse on October 19th, 2012 at 17:46

    You cannot fly a UAV in NZ (well, you couldn’t in 2009) in controlled airspace (i.e. urban areas) unless (my memory is hazy) you had filed a full flight plan (and even then you may not have been allowed for)

    People who worked with UAVs in Army always pointed out they couldn’t fly over builtup areas due to CAA regulations.

    Worth contacting people like SKycam to check.

    PAblo you are right about UAVs, but they have some shortcomings vs. a chopper, and in some circumstances the optimum Police surveillance platform from a cost benefit perspective is a fixed wing platform with a couple of high powered sensors on gimbals. I doubt a conservative org like NZPol will go UAVs anytime soon.

  8. Badchefi on October 22nd, 2012 at 18:28

    UAV’s would make perfect sense to patrol the water around NZ for illegal fishing activities.

    I read that the ‘pilots’ of these drones have the same post traumatic stress disorder (called shellshock back in the old days) symptoms like ‘real life’ combatants.

    We further believe to life in the civilized part of the world – how civilized are those drone strikes?

  9. Sanctuary on October 22nd, 2012 at 22:28

    I have to question whether or not the whole of life cost of drones is really that much cheaper than a fixed wing aircraft. As I understand it, the mission turn around time for drones is much longer than for fixed wing aircraft; consequently the practical sortie rate in nowhere near those of manned aircraft. This is why the USAF operates it’s drones in groups of four – they need that many to match the sortie rate expectations of commanders. Also, the drone itself is little more than a tiny fraction of the components required to keep it airborne. According to reports I have read, by the time you add up the drone pilots, their ground equipment and support crews and the paraphernalia required to monitor the drone flight (for example, all US drone missions are supported by JSTAR or AWACS aircraft to keep an eye out for interception attempts etc) upwards of 130 people can be involved to support a single drone mission, at a cost not much different to a manned mission. Finally, I believe the accident rate of drones is fully three times that of the USAF fixed wing fighter force, something which clearly impacts in the cost of the total buy! Whilst that doesn’t negate the basic advantage of being able to kill from the air without risking the political embarrassment of a shot down pilot, it may explain why there has as yet not been any real stampede to use drones outside the specific military niche they currently occupy.

  10. anon on October 23rd, 2012 at 09:47

    Hey your RSS feed via google reader appears to have been down since the post on Romney and the pacific, deleting and resubscribing gives a feed with a spam title

  11. Pablo on October 23rd, 2012 at 15:35

    Thanks Anon. Looks like we got hacked. We’ll work on fixing it.

  12. Draco T Bastard on October 31st, 2012 at 21:13

    How A Drone Might Save Your Life

    And of course the idea extends to many other life-threatening situations — delivering blood or medicines to places that are otherwise hard to reach in time to save the patient. It’s a useful reminder that drones aren’t necessarily evil, it’s how we use them that counts.

    I don’t consider the idea presented as practical (generally speaking, if you need medicines delivered to save someones life then you need the trained medic as well) but I do think there would be many positive applications for drones which is why I’m not against them. I do, of course, think that they would need to be well regulated.

  13. Pablo on November 1st, 2012 at 10:08

    Draco:

    That is partly what motivated my post. Since not all issues of drone usage are reducible to dealing death from above, and given their many helpful applications, it would seem that lawmakers would be keen to define, as I said in the post, the how, why, when and by whom of their use. Alas, that is not the case here in NZ, and TBH, is not much advanced in other other countries as well.

Leave a Reply

Name: (required)
Email: (required) (will not be published)
Website:
Comment: